Comments on: You Are Red, But Red Is Not You /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/ Play, Share, Unite! Wed, 09 Sep 2015 16:48:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.com/ By: Hatm0nster /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11109 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 19:00:50 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11109 I actually Link and Samus are only a step away or so from being able to establish the sort of character relationship I described. They’re established “characters” but still function as avatars more than anything else. All they need is for their worlds to regard them in a way that’s similar to how Transistor regards, Red.

I think that all they need is some hints of character added into the games (not in the cutscenes) and we’ll get to step into their shoes like never before!

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By: duckofindeed /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11094 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 03:38:41 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11094 Wow, this game sounds really interesting. I need to check it out some time. I’m sure we’d all like to feel more involved in the games we play, such as the choices we are allowed or not allowed to make. I have been playing The Last Story lately, and while it’s a good game, there were occasions I believed I was actually allowed to make meaningful choices, only to find that if I chose the wrong decision, my character would think it over and decide my decision was wrong until I chose what the game wanted me to choose. It was rather disappointing once I found this out. I was quite excited back when I thought my decisions mattered.

The closest I came to feeling part of a game was probably Zelda and Metroid Prime. Link has very little personality, and he never speaks, and this caused me to feel I was him more than most characters, and I even feel like I grew up with him over the last 15 years I’ve been playing the games. And in Metroid Prime, not only is it in first-person, but Samus doesn’t speak, either, so I also felt a bit more like I was a part of the game.

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By: Hatm0nster /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11056 Thu, 08 Jan 2015 01:54:46 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11056 Yeah Bastion and Transistor are separate and unrelated games, though I think there’s at least one Bastion easter egg in Transistor.

It really does feel like more than a game now that you’ve said it. It feels like more in the same way that Mass Effect was trying to be more. Mass Effect let me make a custom Shepard, and I did feel some attachment to the character, but it just didn’t quite get there.

I never got beyond seeing my Shepard as an extension of myself. He behaved the way I wanted him to, reacted the way I wanted him to, related to the characters the way I wanted him to. Shepard was more or less an avatar. There wasn’t enough about them that was “immovable” to make it feel like I was actually stepping into someone else’s shoes.

I didn’t think any game would get closer to it than Mass Effect…glad to be proven wrong.

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By: cary /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11044 Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:14:35 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11044 I picked up both Bastion and Transistor in the latest Steam sale, and I can’t wait to get to both of them! (Bastion’s not a prequel to Transistor, right? They are two separate games?)

Your characterization of playing *as* Red is pretty intriguing. In games where you don’t get to customize your character it’s often difficult to feel any connection to him/her/it. Like, I got perfectly caught up in Nathan Drake’s story in the Uncharted games, but I never felt any personal attachment to his actions. Nothing is ever going to make me empathize with Mario in the Mushroom Kingdom because that’s not what those games are about. And the trials and tribulations of Mega Man are hardly mind-blowing. But when developers really allow players to develop lasting relationships with these unchangeable “people,” as it sounds like the folks who made Transistor have done, it sheds new light on games as something more than just “games.”

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By: Hatm0nster /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11031 Wed, 07 Jan 2015 04:15:15 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11031 Yeah that’s right. They do reveal some things, like how Chell was abandoned as a child and such. Is it true though?

True or not, those comments do frame Chell as a character rather than an avatar don’t they? They aren’t generic enough to be directed at the player. …never really noticed that until now…makes Portal seem even more brilliant!

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By: veryverygaming /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11029 Wed, 07 Jan 2015 02:13:01 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11029 Ha ha, wow, I’m floored how much you remember of Portal. I haven’t played it since it came out so I’m very hazy on the particulars. I thought you learned some things from Glados about your character during the final section of the game, the post-training part if you will… but yes of course it is all very unreliable.

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By: Hatm0nster /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11027 Wed, 07 Jan 2015 01:51:41 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11027 I wonder how much of what GLaDOS said was true though. All it aimed to do was test Chell, perhaps to see how she would react? Then there was the barely concealed resentment it seemed to have for her, but could that have been part of the test too.

Still there definitely was a hint at characterizing Chell in the first Portal, like when it reacted to how “quickly” Chell disposed of the Companion cube, as if Chell just threw it out without a second thought by choice rather than it being the only option available to the player.

But again, how much was true?

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By: veryverygaming /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11019 Tue, 06 Jan 2015 19:53:36 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11019 Fascinating post. There was something a bit similar (although nowhere near as in-depth) in Portal – gradually learning more about the silent protagonist through Glados.

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By: Hatm0nster /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11004 Tue, 06 Jan 2015 01:56:49 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-11004 Thanks! Glad you liked it! Transistor has a quite a bit going for it, this is just one of the more subtle elements.

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By: cappuccinogaming /2015/01/04/you-are-red-but-red-is-not-you/comment-page-1/#comment-10969 Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:42:58 +0000 /?p=3661#comment-10969 This is one of the more interesting experiences I think I have ever read about gaming.
Definitely looking at this game in detail now!! Awesome review.

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